When the Republicans get their teeth into another eight years, the Democratic Party should revise its thinking a bit. But they may have trouble doing this. Perhaps after the experience and style of Obama, the Democrats can recover. But this is far more difficult to believe after the past six years, when opponents were hammered into submission and "news" and the Democratic Party became just Obama props. Cleansing Obama from their soul and psyche could be as hard as anything to do, especially with Obama having another four years still available to him.

Maybe Democrats will continue to be that smug group who know they are right, and are going to tell everyone about their superior brains and moral character. Maybe Daily Kos will let you know once again that you can be for anyone, as long as it is Obama or his replica. Maybe they will take minorities as their exclusive domain, to do anything with that the Democrats want no matter the returns. Or claim the moral ground for the poor, despite the fact that they have done little to focus on their plight, instead working for the "middle class," that amorphous group that extends up to $250,000 a year.

We can be certain that there is one group that is largely the domain of the Democrats.

As long as there is opposition to gay marriage, there will be opposition to Republicans by the vast majority of the GBLT crowd. And that opposition will be spread to the public as if it is opposition to gays, even if it does not have a component that being gay is a sickness. Rachael Maddow and Anderson Cooper are in the bag.

What we cannot be certain of at all is whether the Democrats will continue in their malaise, the better, more moral group because they do not believe in free enterprise, banks or corporations. Instead, they believe that these organizations are just plain bad, without any redeeming qualities, to be treated as the enemy.

The key to all this is Chicago and whether the Democratic Party can ever again be the good guys.

If Chicago stays in control, the Democrats will be unable to come back. The taste of Chicago, and I do not mean the summer fest that takes place there every year, has turned rancid. Especially if new president Romney comes from the liberal Eastern Establishment, look to California or the Pacific Northwest to be the next center of gravity for the Democratic Party as if it is not already.

Democrats from the East cannot win national elections. And the South has been so trashed it would be tough to find another Clinton lurking there. As for the Midwest, perhaps someone will emerge. But only if Obama goes away for good.

Yes, the West is now the center of liberalism. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi may not be king makers, but they certainly are still in control.

In a party that took very few years for a man whose roots were from both the West Coast and the Eastern Establishment to become its dominating emperor, who bled the Democratic Party dry so that he had to give it money, it is unclear who Barack Obama's billions will go to next.

What is clear is that his coalition is his alone. And that without him, it will be gone.

Perhaps he will try again in four years. After all, he can serve another four years, and they do not need to be consecutive.

The latest Florida polls spell out clearly what confronts the Democrats. They are potentially losing all those guaranteed Hispanic votes. Yes, at least one poll indicates that Mitt Romney has pulled dead even with Obama among Hispanics in Florida.

But by far the most important factor is making the Democrats once again into the good guys.

Somehow, despite ready evidence that Obama and his cronies were not the good guys, the public was fooled into putting Obama into the White House. Obama's maltreatment of the Clintons continues to play out with Libya, and with the insular, mean and entirely politically focused way Obama and his crowd treat everyone.

"If you are not voting for Obama, then you are a Republican" type of thinking. You are racist, unwashed, and unworthy of any discussion unless you vote for Obama.

The Obama crowd are the type, like ABC News, who do not disclose relationships but instead insist on exploiting them. They are the MSNBC crowd who read responses prepared by Obama to respond to the latest situations, attempting to fool the public into thinking what is false is really true.

The Libya situation has all of these elements. The false statements about what occurred. The false claim the problem was really the Republicans reducing the budget. The isolation from the public.

And the hate, always overpowering hate. If you are not with us, you are deserving of contempt and hate.

There is nothing anyone can say when you compare Obama with Romney. Their vice presidential choices sum up the state of the Democratic Party.

Biden - - rude, interrupting, unwilling to give an inch or let anything go without pouncing on it, and Ryan - - young, open and a gentleman.

For independents like me, many of us former Democrats, the good guys have switched parties. Not because our views mirror those of the Republicans. Yes, we probably have a few points that we agree upon. But in the main, we do not agree with many of the Republican views.

But because we cannot have more gridlock, formed because of the disdain and overbearing nature of the Obama personality, a cult which has not only gripped the Nation but has also dominated the Democratic Party to the extent that it will need a complete and thorough spring cleaning. Do not give an inch, because it is our way or the highway. Such thinking has to go.

And also because the good guys do not laugh at others with disdain. Because the good guys are not those who create their own history, and who make their moves based more on what is best politically, but instead from a moral baseline that cannot and will not be breached no matter what their place in history or their desire to win the next election.

Obama's secrecy, his kill list, his economic programs, his lack of any business experience, which his supporters claim is not needed because government is not a business are more of the same.

He is not the right guy, even if he does work hard to create a good guy image while working in the background with these miserable people.

You are who you surround yourself with. And his group, his own Rice at the UN, his head of the Department of Homeland Security, his Attorney General, are just not good people. They are not nice people, and could well be corrupt in various ways. The peak of the corruption can be seen with each. Rice's insistence on the lie that the killing of our Ambassador in Libya was due to some spontaneous demonstration. The prejudice against males at the Department of Homeland Security. And the Fast and Furious coverup. They all suggest corruption of the highest order.

As a liberal, which I still am, Obama began to wear thin because of his first presidential campaign, well before the outcome was clear.

Obama developed a level of control over his own party that left it bankrupt. True, I was for Hillary Clinton and had the roles been reversed with Hillary as the rightful successor to Bill Clinton and Obama as her assistant I would have gone along with Obama as vice president. Perhaps, had this been done, we would have had a kinder, gentler party that would have put our country in a very different position. And after eight more years, Obama would have led differently.

Alas, we have had no such thing. And it would not have been likely to have happened anyway. Obama headed up a very fractious and divided Harvard Law Review. He ruined Hillary Clinton by using his minions to demonize her.

What we have had this election cycle is more of the same. Perhaps an even more intemperate style and approach.

He has painted his opponents as a very different group of people than Romney and Ryan really are.

He granted Hispanics something which was designed to avoid the legislative process because he wanted to make certain he was able to continue his false theme of Republican obstruction.

And he has treated everyone with disdain, as could be seen by the performances in the last two debates through his own and his surrogate's performances.

What we have had is reality play out on the stage of the debates.

A president who is so certain of the outcome he took everyone for granted during the first debate. Not just the 47% of Americans who were in his pocket. But those who are not.

Yes, he recognized that he needed the independent vote, those of us who used to be Democrats. But how or why did he feel he could get us back?

By killing Americans by using drones? By adding troops to Afghanistan, the country he claimed was where we should have been all along? By claiming our intelligence and military forces victory over bin Laden, leaving aside the violation of international law, in order to show how great he is and what a leader can do? By having him use his media to denounce Mitt Romney for his lack of military background when he has none either?

No, we saw his performance and real personality through the last four years through his henchman Biden and henchwoman Cutter on Thursday in full view. Their derision, insistence that things should not be discussed, and blatant lies.

It was not pretty. It was not nice. He and they are not the good guys.

My own view of Obama remains suspended a bit in time and place. South Carolina's 2008 primary. Wisconsin earlier in time. In the one, Bill and Hillary Clinton are made out to be racists. In the other, Michelle Obama says that she wanted to claw Bill Clinton's eyes out.

I did not need more. Yet, I gave them four years to show something different. Show respect. Be nice.

These are not nice people. They are mean, divisive and dangerous. They hide the ball, and move it to their own court with their own rules.

So it is with the worst Democrats in my lifetime.

So different from the Clintons that I suspect we may even see Hillary Clinton resign. Whatever the outcome, we know that Obama will not have her the next four years. She has been left out to die spinning in the wind of Libya. Who else is there to blame? Certainly not Obama, who was as usual "unaware" of the need for more security in Libya.

I can only hope that the Florida poll is right, that Ohio is not too fooled, and this election not too rigged by the false claims of "voter suppression" to allow Obama to get back to the White House.

Our country cannot stand another four years of this man with whom you would prefer to have a beer with or his party.