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PrintThe Obama tank just gets bigger and bigger
News Type: Event — Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:39 PM EDT
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Just how big is that tank in which all of you on cable and in print swim? Olympic sized. I think not. Indeed, it is likely the press and media swim with the fishes. In the oceans. You are all dead and do not realize it. Zombies in a crowd. In a trance that requires you have an "Obama" editor edit all your stuff before it is released.
Here is the latest.
McCain swings from his perch behind to +4 in the USA Today/Gallup poll and what happens?
Here is USA Today's front page take as of around 5:33 PM on Monday:
Poll: McCain makes gains on Obama - Slight lead among "likely" voters, trails with registered voters.
Yes, for real. In a poll where McCain is ahead for the first time over Obama by himself, the count is down and out for McCain.
But wait. Perhaps some MSM or cable network or some press have reported this news.
Not at all. Completely absent.
Yes, the tank is getting ever so larger. And we sit by and take it.
Is this a free country? Perhaps no more when one candidate controls so much of the press nothing gets out without the "Obama" editors. Yes. The news has never been like this in a free country until Obama.
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{"commentId":2304025,"authorDomain":"martinez"}
Political, McCain isn't in the news because he is boring and old. Obama appeals to the age group that is directly marketed too via TV ads. Young people. Young people (25-40) drive the US economy, therefore they are what corporate media giants target. Even Fox runs more Obama BS than McCain stuff. It's just all negative, which I bet you don't take much attention to. Either way, McCain is boring and old, Obama sells. Get over it. The election is over, these polls are bull@!$%#.
They do not factor in the "youth movement" Obama is creating.
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- 2 votes
#1 - Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:11 PM EDT{"commentId":2304594,"authorDomain":"politicalcenter"}
{"commentId":2305766,"authorDomain":"eriqalan"}
Martinez - McCain isn't in the news because he is boring and old.
Where do you get these incredibly silly ideas? McCain isn't in the news because on older white man running for president isn't news the way a woman or black man is.
Young people do NOT drive the economy; they drive a part of the economy but it is not the biggest part. (for that matter I question your definition of "young people"; this is not anyone else's definition; not the Census Bureau's, not the Offcie of Management and Budget; this is your own definition. Corporate media giants target is not the age group you cite and not for the reason you think; in fact much of the media targets those under 18 as this part of the economy is people who have money but no responsibilities like food or housing - it's all spendable; or those over 65 who, again, usually are spending money not saving it.
Also there have been questions raised about whether the TV ratings system underrepresents minorities; and the specific "young people" you talk about - singles, college students, etc.
What you might have paid attention to was what is advertised on TV news: Most highly represented are Medicines / pharmaceuticals - which would have one believe that means that TV news is the province of middle aged and older viewers.
Your derogatory statements in your comment demonstrate this is nothing more than an uninformed, incompetent rant. You have no idea what you are saying here, this is all "I am right and everyone else is wrong" rant.
You finish with They do not factor in the "youth movement" Obama is creating.
and there is no relating this to the rest of your comment - however I may point out that (1) it has not been demonstrated that such a thing actually will show up in November (in the past, it hasn't) and (2) they might not be considered by MSM bacause they do not watch MSM, they use the internet, etc.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2306407,"authorDomain":"martinez"}
McCain isn't in the news because on older white man running for president isn't news the way a woman or black man is.
That's basically what I said. By old I meant both by age and in the pop culture sense.
they might not be considered by MSM bacause they do not watch MSM, they use the internet, etc.
And where do you think the MSM has been getting their news lately? Old fashioned reporting is a thing of the past, whether that's a good thing or not isn't my argument.
Your derogatory statements...
Please, point out my derogatory statement.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2309221,"authorDomain":"politicalcenter"}
{"commentId":2315193,"authorDomain":"bluecollarbytes"}
Obama IS the News because msm is in the ObamaTank, backing him up, parsing his own confused rhetoric as needed, and if one notices the 'me&Obama'-photos... nearly all of them have mess-eatin grins on their faces-no doubt the result of getting their own "historic" 15 minute photo-op of fame.
That said, McCain isn't doin so hot. He may even be a little perturbed that msm, which loved and nurtured him during his anti-Bush anti-Republican years, has now spurned him completely in favor of the newbie Obama who has yet to prove himself as a Senator much less Presidential candidate of proven substance.
McCain wanted this gig. He pressed on when nearly the entire political world declared him dead. If he loses this one, it will be HIS loss entirely, regardless of the Obama and ObamaLovers in pop media.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2317420,"authorDomain":"politicalcenter"}
{"commentId":2304148,"authorDomain":"mightyblogger"}
Likely voters means older voters.
Registered voters refers to all the voters, including the young and first time voters.
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- 1 vote
#2 - Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:27 PM EDT{"commentId":2304598,"authorDomain":"politicalcenter"}
{"commentId":2541404,"authorDomain":"fallenmitten"}
The same day I saw McCain ahead in one the polls I saw a NBC/WSJ Poll showing Obama up 4. What does this tell us? That we wait until Nov. Please stop the madness.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2541471,"authorDomain":"politicalcenter"}
{"commentId":2541525,"authorDomain":"fallenmitten"}
Political, all of that is nice to say in theory, but unless you've seen cable news advertising budgets for Obama, I'd have to say that is just something you'd say to prevent him from being elected.
The answer seems obvious.
The answer to what question?
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2542205,"authorDomain":"politicalcenter"}
{"commentId":2304159,"authorDomain":"jimdent"}
Hey PC... come on in, the waters fine.
Good grief, can I have my 15 seconds back please....
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- 3 votes
#3 - Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:29 PM EDT{"commentId":2304588,"authorDomain":"politicalcenter"}
{"commentId":2304626,"authorDomain":"pwtenny"}
McCain swings from his perch behind to +4 in the USA Today/Gallup poll and what happens?
Likely voters, not registered voters. LV is mostly irrelevant.
From the actual poll:
PRINCETON, NJ -- Barack Obama's lead over John McCain has settled back slightly to a 48% to 40% margin among registered voters in Gallup Poll Daily tracking conducted July 25-27.
Obama gained ground over McCain in each of the last three tracking updates, but today's average shows no further gains and a slight drop of Obama's percent of the vote from 49% to 48%. Obama's progress was coincident with his highly visible foreign tour, and it is not unreasonable to expect that his lead over McCain may settle back to a margin closer to what Gallup has measured for most of the summer as the impact of the trip fades. At the same time, McCain and his surrogates have engaged in sharp attacks on Obama in their attempt to blunt the impact of his trip, and some of that effort could have an effect on voters. The basic structure of the race so far this summer has been remarkably stable, and it remains to be seen if either candidate can alter it for a sustained period of time before the conventions in late August and early September.
In this poll Senator Obama has led Senator McCain every single day since July 6th (not as far as the trend goes, but as far as the data goes that I have in front of me) .
Current average amongst many polls: Obama 46.4%. McCain 42.3 (this includes registered and likely voters). Rasmussen's most recent LV poll (three times the size of Gallups) for 23-25 has Obama up 49-43.
I repeat: national polling doesn't matter. State polling matters because it can predict the electoral college result. As of today:
(EV: Strong+Weak+Barely)
Dem: 292
Rep: 195
Tied: 51
As you can plainly see, even if all the tied states went to McCain, he'd still lose. You only need 270 to win.
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- 6 votes
#4 - Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:27 PM EDT{"commentId":2304668,"authorDomain":"politicalcenter"}
{"commentId":2305655,"authorDomain":"pwtenny"}
Registered over likely, although my faith in either is minimal since national polls don't matter. I don't know much about or pay any attention to leaners, too speculative. That kind of metric was invented purely to give pundits more things to talk about.
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- 3 votes
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{"commentId":2314833,"authorDomain":"pwtenny"}
Thank you.
{"commentId":2314833,"threadId":"321396","contentId":"1702177","authorDomain":"pwtenny"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2304756,"authorDomain":"kick-boxer"}
Likely voters (LV) is a term of art used in analyzing polling data, like a fact checker does to make sure the presumed facts put forth are real, not imagined. So in reality, the term LV means those who obviously registered and will be the most likely to actually vote for real, from their voting histories, precinct reports and the like. This is going to be a very close race right down to the wire, I do not see any kind of cakewalk to the White House for either candidate despite some blatant favoritism in news media coverage. It will be as close as the Bush-Gore race was, IMHO.
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- 3 votes
#5 - Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:43 PM EDT{"commentId":2304826,"authorDomain":"politicalcenter"}
{"commentId":2304788,"authorDomain":"kick-boxer"}
PS: what really matters is this: are the voters telling the pollers the truth when asked? and what is range of error, the % margin of error in a poll can be great or small, depending on the sample size. Usually it is 4% to 5% wrong. You saw this happen quite frequently in the recent Primaries. This race is way to close to call! Or inaccurately polled.
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- 2 votes
#6 - Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:46 PM EDT{"commentId":2304832,"authorDomain":"politicalcenter"}
{"commentId":2537509,"authorDomain":"lnab"}
all through the primary, Obama consistently overpolls...he was behind McCain weeks ago
how many state polls predicted a win for him that he lost in landslides to Hillary
same thing everytime you look at an Obama Mccain poll...automatically deduct 3 or 4 from Obama to arrive at a more realistic number
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2541297,"authorDomain":"politicalcenter"}
{"commentId":2305893,"authorDomain":"cpaul44"}
Who are "likely voters"? Are they people most likely to vote? It seems so. Who are registered voters? They seem to be people who are entitled to vote. So you sample registered voters and seperate those who say they will vote. Then you ask those likely to vote who they will vote for. You then get a result from those who say they will vote(likely voters). The question is if the sampling was objective. That is to say- What percentage of voters by age, by states, by cultural groups (reflecting the national %) by party affiliation and idependents (reflecting the national %). A random poll that does not take these factors into consideration could be misleading. Obama leads in the "National poll" by 8%, but McCain leads in the "most likely voters poll" by 4%. Seems confusing to me.
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#7 - Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:46 PM EDT{"commentId":2309244,"authorDomain":"politicalcenter"}
{"commentId":2318281,"authorDomain":"ktdid"}
Cecil
Plus the cell phone factor. Polls only reflect those with landlines.
{"commentId":2318281,"threadId":"321396","contentId":"1702177","authorDomain":"ktdid"}
{"commentId":2318825,"authorDomain":"politicalcenter"}
{"commentId":2306566,"authorDomain":"adventurebooks"}
Jack Kennedy got major media coverage, too. A lot more than the competition. Why? He was young and charismatic and people wanted him for the next President.
Sometimes things are just as simple as they appear. Obama gets lots of media. People call in sick to their jobs to see him wherever he appears. He has a solid message just a bit different from what America is used to for the last eight years. His supporters send him so much money he can run a decent campaign. He avoids dirty tricks and innuendo, although he has been subjected to both himself.
On November 4, the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. But before THAT comes the Democratic National Convention, and that means prime-time coverage with a majority of Americans watching. Hillary Clinton will probably give a speech, and who knows, Obama may still select her as VP if she desires it. Maybe.
In any case, the number on Obama will probably jump during and after the convention. And at this point there is a good chance he will become the first African American President.
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- 4 votes
#8 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:37 AM EDT{"commentId":2309261,"authorDomain":"politicalcenter"}
{"commentId":2318254,"authorDomain":"adventurebooks"}
'We better not elect him. I have a feeling that Obama will cost us a lot of money by lost hours and workforce.'
That's already happening NOW.
Look, I'm not going to reinterate the list of things wrong in America right now. They are many and legend. Obama is not the cause of these things.
Without going on a sales pitch for him, how about this:
PayPal his campaign twenty bucks and set up a blog at the website. You could even form your own group. I moderate this one:
{"commentId":2318254,"threadId":"321396","contentId":"1702177","authorDomain":"adventurebooks"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":2537477,"authorDomain":"lnab"}
we should revive this post... it seems so very relevant today
{"commentId":2537477,"threadId":"321396","contentId":"1702177","authorDomain":"lnab"}
- 1 vote
#9 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:31 PM EDT{"commentId":2541332,"authorDomain":"politicalcenter"}
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